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dizzy
Joined: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 401
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:50 pm Post subject: Cable question |
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Hey Scott!
Happy holidays!
I have a question about guitar cable.
I am dealing with dark tone when I roll off my volume on my neck humbucker.
This isn’t a problem with single coils for me, but with a humbucker, even with 500k pots, it turns to mud. I want to avoid a treble bleed circuit and 50s wiring if I can.
The first thing my guitar hits is an always on pedal. So the problem is the cable that goes from my guitar to my pedal board.
Right now I use a ten foot Mogami gold. I could go to 6 feet.
But I was also reading about Mogami platinum cable which is much lower capacitance.
Do you use platinum or gold?
Any other advice?
Maybe I should breakdown and use a treble bleed in my humbucker guitar.
Thanks Scott!
Dan |
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Scott Henderson The Man
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 2124
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Happy New Year Dan!
I use Mogami 2524 cable. I'm not sure if they put a name on that, like Gold or Platinum. As you know, cable drastically affects the tone, because the less capacitance, the less midrange.
I use a very short cable to my first pedal, about 4.5 feet, but I'm not sure that makes as much of a difference anymore because all my guitars have treble bleeds. It's not the traditional one that you're thinking of, because that one sucks - it makes a very tinny, unpleasant tone. This one is a new design by Suhr and it's much more subtile. I love it - when I turn down the volume I only get less gain and less volume, the tone stays exactly the same. |
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dizzy
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Oh that’s awesome Scott.
Do you know if suhr shares his values for the resistor? |
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Scott Henderson The Man
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure but it doesn't hurt to call them and ask. It's not just one resistor, it's a resistor tied to a capacitor, and there are several other resistors in there too. I've had this in my guitar for the last two tours, and I've never been happier with the ability to turn down and play chords with no treble loss. For anyone who plays one channel amps, this treble bleed would be extremely helpful. |
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dizzy
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Scott!
I’m going to research this. |
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dizzy
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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I found info on the circuit if anyone else is interested.
It was on the gear page straight from John Suhr so I don’t think he would mind if I post it here
I’m looking forward to trying it!
“When I worked at Fender in the mid 90’s I introduced on a few models my favorite treble bleed setup which I still use. What I did on the CS contemporary dinky series was a 680pf in parallel with a 150K resistor. Works great for 80% of the people to keep it balanced tone. If it’s too much you can put a dropping resistor after this parallel circuit in series.”
Not sure what the value of the 2nd resistor is but I looked up fender’s most recent treble bleed and they use a similar idea with 120k for the 2nd resistor. |
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dizzy
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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I installed that treble bleed.
Really cool!
It does not get thin like the other ones I’ve tried.
Also the taper of the volume pot stays smooth.
My fuzz cleans up lower on my volume knob—that all I have to get used to.
Thanks for the tip Scott |
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