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Sven S.-M.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:40 pm    Post subject: Change of recommended tubes for Badger? Reply with quote

Hi.
My Badger had serial #116 and is one of the early batches shipped with all Chinese ARS tubes. It needs a re-tubing now so I asked help desk about the tubes. Unfortunately Suhr help desk has a strange way of answering my questions to why JJ's are preferred as power tubes and V1 and a Sovtek as rectifier tube. No explanations, only repeted official Suhr tube information blah blah... Very disappointing!

Does any of you know why ARS tubes have been replaced by JJ and Sovtek?
Are these ARS no longer any good or what?

Thanks in advance

Sven
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cs@suhr.com



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sven. We are very sorry for any confusion and frustration and will try to clear things up.

We use a lot of ARS branded tubes, but it's important to know that ARS is a tube distributor; they do not manufacture the tubes. There are only a few tube factories in the world, but many companies distribute and rebrand the same tubes. For example: depending on the model, an ARS tube can be a JJ or Chinese tube.

For Badger preamp tubes we use an ARS branded JJ in V1 (the position closest to the input jack) and ARS branded Chinese tubes in V2 and V3. This is our preferred tonal combination.

For Badger power tubes we use the ARS branded JJs.

For Badger rectifier tubes, we use a Sovtek as we have found it to be the most reliable.

We hope that helps clear things up. Please feel free to let us know if you have any further tube questions.
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Sven S.-M.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@CS.
Thanks for your reply. I must admit it was disappointing getting answers from someone who obviously didn't care to read my questions.

So any 12AX7 in will do - JJ in V1, Chinese in V2+V3 and JJ EL84 power tubes and Sovtek rectifier? Or are they special in some way?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is correct, you can use tubes from any distributor. For what it's worth, distributors will have different standards/procedures for testing and matching tubes so some may be more consistent than others.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sven S.-M. wrote:

So any 12AX7 in will do - JJ in V1, Chinese in V2+V3 and JJ EL84 power tubes and Sovtek rectifier? Or are they special in some way?

Thanks in advance.

Sven

Any 12x7 will do.
The JJ 12ax7 is less gain , a little less highs so it tends to be quieter and less chance of being microphonic or having heater hum. The first stage is the most sensitive. If you use all JJ in the preamp you will start to affect the overall tone with a more mellow response and less gain. The JJ power tubes sound great and are the most reliable in our experience. The rectifier you should stick with our recommendation due the variance of voltage drops with rectifiers from different manufacturers. As CS stated ARS is a distributor.
I hope that clarifies it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of biasing is required for the Badger 30 when changing tubes?
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cragginshred wrote:
What sort of biasing is required for the Badger 30 when changing tubes?


None: it's cathode biased...use a matched pair of PTs and you're good.
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